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Default The Road by Cormac McCarthy

I have offered to host the second round of the TorchBugs book club. We have selected The Road from a short list of dystopian books.

I propose that we start the book discussion on February 26th on which date I will post a list of questions (pilfered from the web) for discussion and we will take it from there. Please jump in and answer as many or a few of them as you would like.

If you haven't read the book by Feb 26th, no problem, just join in when you do. I hope that this thread will be able to transcend time, if someone wants to read the book a year from now they should be able to jump in and read other's comments and add their own. I know I can be interested in hearing new thoughts about books I have read months or years even after I have read them.
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For those new to the dystopian genre, here is a link to Wikipedia which might be interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopia

For those who have read dystopian novels in the past here are some pre book discussion questions to get us started.

How where you introduced to the dystopian genre?
What are your general thoughts on the genre?
What dystopian books have you loved/hated?
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I read this book last year. It really stuck with me. It's disturbing.

Even though it's not a long book and I would take part in a discussion about it, I would not read it again. Not because it's a badly written book, quite the opposite. There were images produced from this book that still bother me. And, though I really like Viggo Morentsen, I don't think I would want to watch the movie.

It's bleak, to say the least.
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That's my concern Kevan and Shannon.
I've been sick (a blooming cold that's taking ages to shift) and don't feel like reading it at the moment.
My DD has it though so I'll pick it up at some point and join in then.
That's what I like about the online book club. The pressure of time isn't so great.
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How where you introduced to the dystopian genre?

I can't even remember for sure. Maybe The Time Machine when I was a child. The movie, of course. We watched lots of sci fi. My mother read lots of sci fi and that's a common theme. We all watched The Outer Limits together.

What are your general thoughts on the genre?

I think there has to be some kind of archetype involved with the break down of society and having to survive. It's repeated so often in books and films and people are drawn to experiencing it without having to actually go through it. Kind of like horror movies. It's scary, but you aren't there. Maybe we want to be prepared. You know, just in case.

What dystopian books have you loved/hated?

1984 and Brave New World which I read in high school, I guess. The Handmaidens Tale. Oryx and Crake, which I read last year. And the prequel that I read recently The Year of the Flood, both by Margaret Atwood.
I'm sure I'll think of others.

I kinda hated The Postman, the book they made that terrible Kevin Costner movie out of. It was much better than the movie, however.
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Our book club read The Road 2 years ago and there hasn't been a book club since that we didn't go back to The Road. We all decided at last Friday's meeting that at the time we originally discussed it, the impact of the book didn't fully sink in for many months.

We just read A Small Island by Anita Levy. Excellent book and terrific discussion.
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How is everyone making out with this book?

I finished reading it this weekend and watched the movie directly afterwards.

This is an extremely dark book. I will think about this for some time to come for sure.

I thought the book was so much better than the movie. I don't think that the movie got accross the gentle love and nurturing that the father had for the child in the same way. I think that the child in the movie was older than I pictured the child when reading the book which definitly changes the feel. I was picturing the child to be 5 or 6 in the book, in the movie the kid came accross as being 8 or 9. I am horrible at guessing kids ages though.
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I thought of him at around 7. Like 1st grade age.

I'm not sure I want to watch the movie. There were a couple of scenes in the book that I don't necessarily want to see depicted. The one where they find the people in the basement and the one when they see the pregnant woman.

Being the father and trying to keep your child safe in that world and thinking you won't be able to do it forever and then what? It's terrifying.
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I thought of him at around 7. Like 1st grade age.

I'm not sure I want to watch the movie. There were a couple of scenes in the book that I don't necessarily want to see depicted. The one where they find the people in the basement and the one when they see the pregnant woman.

Being the father and trying to keep your child safe in that world and thinking you won't be able to do it forever and then what? It's terrifying.
Grade 1 was also what I was thinking, I started school at 5 and turned 6 that year. Young enough for a boy to still get scared and think that it is ok to express that fear.

I had issues with those same scenes and neither was in the copy (ahoy matey) of the movie that I could get my hands on, there was a glitch in the DVD just after he discovers the hatch in the house and then they are in the bunker, I had to rewind it to make sure I hadn't missed anything. It looks like the three houses that they stayed in were lumped into one. Might have just been my copy and maybe 15 minutes were cut out of the middle of the movie, I wouldn't know!
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I recall seeing a clip in the trailer of a bunch of seemingly naked people crowded together in a dark room. I thought that seemed like the basement.
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I recall seeing a clip in the trailer of a bunch of seemingly naked people crowded together in a dark room. I thought that seemed like the basement.
Quite probably that is the scene. I didn't see any naked people in the copy I have, but I do live in the land of censorship so mine might be a pirate copy of a hacked up sensored version, I can't expect much more for 50 cents.
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I am just about done with the book. I don't know if I want to see that movie though.
I think the book shows the love and the distruction that people can display towards one another. Isn't it sad that he really does know his days are numbered and not knowing what he will do for his son to make him safe. The terror they face everyday must be horrid. To always have to plan how to make a quick escape and to hide their belongings, but yet living out in the open or trying to find selter that is safe. The father can not let his guard down so how much does he really relax.
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Anyone ready to start discussing this book? Don't read if you haven't finished!










Did I miss what actually occurred to cause these conditions?
I have to admit I thought the book was a bit dark and I don't know if I could go see the movie.

I cried. When Papa died, I found myself sobbing. It just broke my heart to know they had gone through so much and for it to finish with one of them dieing...

I know we all die and this makes one face that reality, but to go to our final rewards without experiencing ANY happiness just was so difficult to take. I know there are people in the word who live modern day versions of this, but from my point in life, I have been blessed and I don't know that I could go on if I were faced with the harshness they faced. I guess I could if were for my children or grandchildren, but without my husband it would be so hard to gather the will to go on.

I do believe that Papa did go through all that he did for the love of his son. The greatest lesson for me was what a parent will do for his or her child. I pray we never have to live through an event like this.
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But the boy still has no future. Even with the people who took him in. There is no future for anyone. It's just buying time.

Of course, the same thing could be said about us all.
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Sorry, I entirely forgot to get back to this thread with some discussion questions. I will try to do this by this weekend.
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I saw the title of this particular discussion thread and debated not coming in. I read the book over a year ago and the images it evoked still bother me. For months afterwards I had a recurring nightmare of wandering lost through a forest of fused half people...shudder. Excellent writer, excellent book, but I want to forget it - especially as a parent.
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But the boy still has no future. Even with the people who took him in. There is no future for anyone. It's just buying time.

Of course, the same thing could be said about us all.
That is true. I suppose Papa was trying to make things as good and as normal as they would ever be for the child. He wanted him to go on and try to find a family, he was trying to teach him to read, how to tell good from evil even though that was so difficult to do.
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Did he do the child right by not doing what he planned to do?

We can never know. Didn't seem like anything was going to ever be worth living for again.

Such a depressing and disturbing book. And really well written.
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Ok, I be back. Here are some questions taken from the LitLovers website. http://www.litlovers.com/guide_road.html

Feel free to provide a response to any or all questions that you find interesting.

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Set in the smoking ashes of a postapocalyptic America, Cormac McCarthy's The Road tells the story of a man and his son's journey toward the sea and an uncertain salvation. The world they pass through is a ghastly vision of scorched countryside and blasted cities "held by cores of blackened looters who tunneled among the ruins and crawled from the rubble white of tooth and eye carrying charred and anonymous tins of food in nylon nets like shoppers in the commissaries of hell" [p. 181]. It is a starved world, all plant and animal life dead or dying, some of the few human survivors even eating each other alive.

The father and son move through the ruins searching for food and shelter, trying to keep safe from murderous, roving bands. They have only a pistol to defend themselves, the clothes they are wearing, a cart of scavenged food--and each other.

Awesome in the totality of its vision, The Road is an unflinching meditation on the worst and the best that we are capable of: ultimate destructiveness, desperate tenacity, and the tenderness that keeps two people alive in the face of total devastation.

1. Cormac McCarthy has an unmistakable prose style. What do you see as the most distinctive features of that style? How is the writing in The Road in some ways more like poetry than narrative prose?

2. Why do you think McCarthy has chosen not to give his characters names? How do the generic labels of "the man" and "the boy" affect the way in which readers relate to them?

3. How is McCarthy able to make the postapocalyptic world of The Road seem so real and utterly terrifying? Which descriptive passages are especially vivid and visceral in their depiction of this blasted landscape? What do you find to be the most horrifying features of this world and the survivors who inhabit it?

4. McCarthy doesn't make explicit what kind of catastrophe has ruined the earth and destroyed human civilization, but what might be suggested by the many descriptions of a scorched landscape covered in ash? What is implied by the father's statement that "On this road there are no godspoke men. They are gone and I am left and they have taken with them the world" [p. 32]?

5. As the father is dying, he tells his son he must go on in order to "carry the fire." When the boy asks if the fire is real, the father says, "It's inside you. It was always there. I can see it" [p. 279]. What is this fire? Why is it so crucial that they not let it die?

6. McCarthy envisions a postapocalyptic world in which "murder was everywhere upon the land" and the earth would soon be "largely populated by men who would eat your children in front of your eyes" [p. 181]. How difficult or easy is it to imagine McCarthy's nightmare vision actually happening? Do you think people would likely behave as they do in the novel, under the same circumstances? Does it now seem that human civilization is headed toward such an end?

7. The man and the boy think of themselves as the "good guys." In what ways are they like and unlike the "bad guys" they encounter? What do you think McCarthy is suggesting in the scenes in which the boy begs his father to be merciful to the strangers they encounter on the road? How is the boy able to retain his compassion--to be, as one reviewer put it, "compassion incarnate"?

8. The sardonic blind man named Ely who the man and boy encounter on the road tells the father that "There is no God and we are his prophets" [p. 170]. What does he mean by this? Why does the father say about his son, later in the same conversation, "What if I said that he's a god?" [p. 172] Are we meant to see the son as a savior?

9. The Road takes the form of a classic journey story, a form that dates back to Homer's Odyssey. To what destination are the man and the boy journeying? In what sense are they "pilgrims"? What, if any, is the symbolic significance of their journey?

10. McCarthy's work often dramatizes the opposition between good and evil, with evil sometimes emerging triumphant. What does The Road ultimately suggest about good and evil? Which force seems to have greater power in the novel?

11. What makes the relationship between the boy and his father so powerful and poignant? What do they feel for each other? How do they maintain their affection for and faith in each other in such brutal conditions?

12. Why do you think McCarthy ends the novel with the image of trout in mountain streams before the end of the world: "In the deep glens where they lived all things were older than man and they hummed of mystery" [p. 287]. What is surprising about this ending? Does it provide closure, or does it prompt a rethinking of all that has come before? What does it suggest about what lies ahead?
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2. Why do you think McCarthy has chosen not to give his characters names? How do the generic labels of "the man" and "the boy" affect the way in which readers relate to them?
If you are the last man on earth, with no one around to call you by your proper name, do you need one?
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